published: Friday, April 05, 2013
City-fire union impasse meeting set for Tuesday
By SAMANTHA GHOLAR
SEBRING -- City officials have scheduled a meeting at 10 a.m. Tuesday at City Hall to discuss impasse issues between the City of Sebring and the local fire union.
Following the special magistrate's recommendations, City Administrator Scott Noethlich requested an executive session for the council members to open up discussion which was held Thursday night at city hall.
"The executive session was scheduled so that we could talk about the issues at a specific time so not to take up time during a council meeting," Noethlich said. "We will still have a public meeting in reference to what recommendations were made. The meeting deals with that specifically," Noethlich said. "It's hard to tell at this point what council will want to do. I don't think they're going to accept the recommendations. We kind of knew going in that it (recommendations) would be weighted more towards the union, otherwise there would be no use for a magistrate."
Each side will once again present its arguments. The council will ultimately decide what will be done about the issues.
(by: Spicy Mustard - 4/9/2013)
Goodman....I had some very well trained volunteers pull me out of a wreck on 27 several years ago. They didn't ask for a dime or a pension either. They don't give the part-timers a map? Teach them the layout of the city?
Firefighters (by: Good Man - 4/8/2013)
It's funny how everyone hates to pay the firefighters till there struck under a dash in a wrecked car on US 27 and they are the ones to get you out. Or your house is on fire and your family's inside. I bet Blindman and spicy mustered would think different. Go pay those out of town part timers 10 dollars an hour and when you need them to find your house at 3 am and they can't because they are not from here you will wish the city would have payed there firefighters a bit more.
No! (by: Blindman~ - 4/7/2013)
Firefighters train & clean "on the job" during their shift. If a firefighter works 2 days a week they will have 4 days off. That gives them time to spend with family and pursue other business interest. Many around here and others have done quite well for themselves and their families. And the disconnected is; hazard and life expectancy statistics for firefighters probably come from national averages that most certainly include major metropolitan & heavily industrial areas across our great nation. This is Sebring, not Baltimore, Detroit, Huston, New Orleans, New York, LA, etc., so the hazard statistics argued for Sebring firefighters by union reps. to justify their unreasonable demands are hogwash and simply do not apply.
(by: Spicy mustard - 4/7/2013)
Who will do it for $10 an hr? Apparantly a bunch of people will do it part time for no benefits and drive out of town to come in and do it.
Blindman (by: 492V8 - 4/7/2013)
You bring up some good points but they are no longer applicable. The two retired firemen who live on the lake both have successful businesses outside of the fire department. They were no-doubt able to build these businesses back in the days when the firefighting environment was much more lax, the times when they also use to run into burning homes without air packs and proper gear, times have changed.
Work vs Lax Time (by: Blindman~ - 4/6/2013)
Firefighters in Sebring work 24hrs shifts/ then off 48. Now how many hours per shift do they spend "actually working"? 8 hours? 10? 12? 16? Who believes when their not sleeping or eating on shift they are constantly working? Just take the lowest figure of pay mentioned @ $10 per hr. X 8 hrs of sleep (on call) per day 121 days per year. 10×8=80×121= 9680... say; $10,000 per year for sleeping or Lax Time on the job. Now just multiply $10,000 × a 25 year career for a total of $250,000.00. Factoring in salary increases & inflation, a firefighter on call can expect to earn from 1/4 to 1/2 million dollars during their career for doing nothing but sleeping on call at the fire station. And a 25 year career as a firefighter, pay including benefits will amount to 1 - 1.5 million dollars. Sure its a hard job, but it's worth it. Just ask two retired Sebring firemen who live on Lakeview Drive.
don't pick on firefighters (by: red ridding hood - 4/6/2013)
Why does the city have two city administrators, with there salarys combined they probably make more than 9 firefighter positions.
ann mae williams (by: gator bait - 4/6/2013)
How do you know whats going on between the firefighters union and the city, how does anybody really know. Unless you go personally talk to the main people dealing with this you will never truly know. You will only know what they put in the paper. And usually people listen to people that have political pull. And I think we all know how those people are.
Bullying (by: 492V8 - 4/6/2013)
Where do you get that the firefighters are bullying anyone? A guy who didn't even know where Sebring was came and listened to both the City and firefighters. Keep in mind the city was professionally represented by an out of town hot shot lawyer at $250.00 / hr (I bet you paid him driving time), the firefighters were unrepresented.
Re: Guest (by: bAdLeY bEnT - 4/6/2013)
If firefighters are so responsible they can take control of "their own" finances by planning for the future managing their new 401K.
Unbelievable (by: John deere - 4/6/2013)
Leave our Sebring fire fighters alone they were there for my father when he flipped his sail boat if it were not for them he may have drowned in lake jackson thank you
stop complainning (by: Gator bait - 4/6/2013)
People will pay to see baseball games, football games, soccer games, basketball games. People will pay to have someone make them coffee. I could go on, but when it comes to someone saving your life you complain about having to pay them, like your life and your love ones lives are worth nothing. Stop complainning.
firefighters die young (by: anonymous - 4/6/2013)
Most firefighters make $10.00 an hour, they are on a fixed income, they have familys, they live pay check to pay check just trying to pay rent and put food on the table. They don't live lavished lives. It's the third most stressful job in the nation behind an infantry man which is the first and a general which is second. In the US average citizens live 73 years. Firefighter life expectancies is 53 to 63 years old (just google it). Firefighters are three times more likely to die on the job do to inherent risk, physical and mental stresses, and exposures to toxic and carcinogenic compounds released in smoke. I can go on all day trying to defend our firefighters. Just remember one simple thing, when you are having the most horrific unexpected day of your life, the out of the blue never though in a million years would happen to me situation, like i was in. The first faces that I saw were our local City of Sebring firefighters, they were there for me in my time of need. You never know what position you may find yourself in, weather it be a car wreck, house fire, train derailment, plane crash, or you just got sucked into a sink hole. These are going to be the first faces you see. Go stop by any station and talk to any firefighter and tell them they are a hero and everone of them will say im just doing my job
(by: anne mae williams - 4/5/2013)
The city's pensions cost are way out of proportion for firefighters over other city employees right now. The union keeps bullying the city and it need to stop. It's not fair to the people.
Re: Badley Bent (by: Guest - 4/5/2013)
So people don't make sufficient life planning decisions and can't pay their bills and it's the fault of the firefighters? It's about time people take responsibility for their own actions and lack of planning. Why don't we just take it all from the millionaires who earned their money and planned properly?
Extra Money (by: 492V8 - 4/5/2013)
I highly doubt any of the firefighters at $10 /hr are buying tax deeds and other investments. There are a lot more council members living on Lakeview Drive than Sebring's public employees.
Please! (by: bAdLeY bEnT - 4/5/2013)
This is not California, many local citizens are on a fixed income and can not bear a future increase in taxes to support the high cost of these firefighters pensions for life, we can't survive it. Just look at the tax roles, many cannot pay their real estate taxes now. I just wonder how many of the city's employees or especially firefighters, if any, have purchased tax deeds on properties of the poor citizens whom they have sworn to serve & protect? If so, the firefighters union and the city should be ashamed.
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