published: Friday, September 06, 2013
Fluoride out of AP water system
By PHIL ATTINGER
AVON PARK -- City residents who found out City Manager Julian Deleon had stopped putting fluoride in city water expressed further surprise Wednesday to learn most residents didn't get fluoride even with the system on.
The recommended dose for good dental health is between 0.7 and 1.2 parts per million, according to the American Dental Association at www.ada.org/.
City water didn't have that dose. The city's annual drinking water report for 2012 listed only 0.08 parts per million of fluoride.
The city only has one fluoride injection pump, at the airport water plant that serves northern neighborhoods, Deleon said.
The city's other two water plants don't have fluoride injection and never have, and fluoride doesn't mix in the lines, he said.
He also said the pump, installed in 1983 and never upgraded, injects two pounds of fluoride into city water each hour.
At 3 a.m., the water plant is only pumping 14 gallons of water per minute, Deleon said. At 7:15 a.m., that rate jumps to 1,062 gallons per minute, with the same two pounds of fluoride.
Deleon said that's inconsistent and he ordered the fluoride shut off.
Resident Nicholas McGrath was concerned Deleon shut off the fluoride without a vote from the Avon Park City Council and that no alerts were given to residents about their drinking water.
Deleon said his action was consistent with the city's water permit from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.
"I am not going to operate a system that is antiquated, obsolete and (has) no quality controls," Deleon said.
Deleon also said the city should not be in the business of "medicating water," but parents and dental professionals didn't agree.
Sheryl McGrath, lifelong city resident, mother of two and dental hygienist for eight years with Dr. David E. Willey in Sebring, said she has seen patients -- especially children -- with as many as 10 or 12 cavities when their drinking water doesn't have fluoride.
Both she and Willey said $200 for just one dental filling can provide fluoridated water for a lifetime.
Deleon said he's not concerned about the cost of fluoride -- which he quoted at $6,000 per year.
Quoting a report by Paul Connett, Ph.D., Deleon said fluoride in water helps teeth, but does nothing for the body after it's swallowed.
Connett cited several health concerns, including loss of bone density, and Deleon suggested that a person working outside drinking large quantities of city water each day could suffer more ill effects than someone working inside drinking less.
Willey said too much of anything in a human body is toxic -- even too much water.
He said consistent fluoride levels are important because if people get too much fluoride -- a condition called fluorosis -- their teeth could chip.
Still, he believes fluoridated water doesn't pose a health risk.
Willey said fluoride helps teeth form a hard outer shell of enamel when it combines with fluorapatite -- a mineral in teeth.
Barbara Turner, operations manager for the Highlands County Health Department, said fluoridated drinking water is considered one of the top achievements of the 20th century as a barrier to disease that can help throughout people's lives, just like putting iodine in salt or vitamin D in milk.
City Attorney Gerald Buhr, who said he formerly worked for a water utility, considers iodized salt and vitamin D milk a consumer choice, but residents don't get to choose if their water has fluoride or not.
Mike Kirsch, president of the Greater Highlands County Dental Association, said dentists had always thought all of Avon Park got fluoride, but had always seen discrepancies with children's dental health.
He said he plans to provide the city with detailed information on which areas of the city had healthier teeth.
Resident and mother Kathleen Border asked if Deleon did a study to determine if the water was unsafe and suggested upgrading the system.
Councilman Parke Sutherland asked Deleon the cost of putting all three plants on fluoride.
Deleon said Wednesday afternoon prior to the meeting that he didn't have a cost estimate, but told Sutherland that evening it could cost up to $15,000 per water plant.
Still, Sutherland and other council members agreed they would like to see detailed cost estimate to inject fluoride at all plants to inject fluoride.
Sutherland said after the meeting that he didn't think Health Department officials and respected dentists would come to speak after hours if they didn't believe fluoridated water was a benefit.
NRC and Optimally fluoridated water statement (by: Johnny Johnson, Jr., DMD, MS - 9/10/2013)
Lastly, here is what the NRC Panel Review stated about Optimally fluoridated water:
City Manager and City Council Responsibilites (by: Johnny Johnson, Jr., DMD, MD - 9/10/2013)
The conclusions reached by the 12 member panel of the 2006 NRC review puts to rest ANY adverse health claims that are being threatened here by those opposed to fluoridation.
Fluoride-No Health Effects (by: Johnny Johnson, Jr., DMD, MS - 9/10/2013)
What are EPA's drinking water regulations for fluoride?
water fluoridation (by: ann giantvalley - 9/10/2013)
Bravo to those who are trying to get the added fluoride out of the water in Avon Park (wherever that is). My son has been working with providing information to the community I live in (Manchester, Washington) to remove the added fluoride in our system. My question is: If it is so cheap/inexpensive to add fluoride to water, who is trying to get rid of this product? My experience shows me that quality comes with a price (BMWs, fine gems, organic food, quality clothing...the list goes on). Some good comments read here are appreciated.
Fluoridation is a WASTE of Tax Money (by: jwillie6 - 9/9/2013)
People drink only 1/2% of the water they use. The rest goes directly down the drain in toilets, showers, dishwashers, etc.
Unfortunate (by: Guest - 9/7/2013)
It is unfortunate they are thinking about removing fluoride. Dr. Connett, the PhD Mr. Deleon quoted, will/does have an extreme view regarding fluoride. Therefore, I would urge Mr. Deleon to further investigate the benefits of fluoride. We have Federal, State, County and City experts who would be able to provide clear (or clearer) insight into the benefits of fluoride.
Fluoride is toxic waste (by: jwillie6 - 9/7/2013)
It is illegal for a doctor or a dentist to force anyone to take a drug or a chemical. It should be illegal for the government as well, particularly for fluoride which is more poisonous than LEAD and only slightly less poisonous than ARSENIC. It has never been approved by the FDA as safe or effective.
not just about teeth (by: John Murphy - 9/7/2013)
Dr. Arvid Caarlson, 2000 Nobel prize in medicine winner says, "In Sweden, water fluoridation, to my knowledge, is no longer advocated by anybody. In Sweden, the emphasis nowadays is to keep the environment as clean as possible with regard to pharmacologically active and, thus, potentially toxic substances."
Fluoridation (by: Tooth DeKay - 9/7/2013)
Look at the fifth bullet point down from the top on the Questions and Answers page of the City of Avon Park's website.
Bottle Water (by: J Macy - 9/6/2013)
Does bottle water contains fluoride? I don't think so, but people pay so much money for bottle water. At least I don't see it listed in the "ingredients". A 16oz bottle water goes from anywhere between $0.99 to $1.99. So, why we don't go after bottle water companies that make huge profits of "water".
People's choice not allowed (by: Nick McGrath - 9/6/2013)
To make it clear, I am concerned that Mr. Deleon terminated the fluoridation program without consulting the Mayor, City Council, or the public. There is a big difference between temporarily halting the system due to safety concerns and evaluating the system for repair costs, etc.. and making a sole decision to stop fluoridation indefinitely. If the people of Avon Park make a united decision to stop the program, it would at least be a respectable community decision. Its the boldness of the city manager deciding for everyone that is offensive!
Dr. Spock's view on fluoridation (by: Julian - 9/6/2013)
You might guess that I would be opposed to fluoridation of the water supply (to prevent tooth decay) on several counts. But then I became a firm believer as proof was assembled by scientists in the 1950's and afterwards that fluoridation of a water supply will reduce the production of tooth cavities (our most prevalent disease) by 60%, and, just as important, that no disease or defect is caused by this procedure. All adverse claims and accusations which had the slightest plausibility have been scrupulously investigated by scientists and government officials and have been found to be baseless. But nothing seems to keep the more determined opponents from repeating old accusations and making new ones.-Dr. Benjamin Spock, MD June 1980
Forget the fluoride! (by: Been Here - 9/6/2013)
What Avon Park needs is something in the water to improve the mentality of those that won't quit stirring the pot!
Fluoridation Ineffective, Harmul, Unethical, studies sh ow (by: NYSCOF - 9/6/2013)
Fluoridation Opposition is Scientific, Respectable & Growing
Fluoride is Dangerous (by: jwillie6 - 9/6/2013)
It is illegal for a doctor or a dentist to force anyone to take a drug or a chemical. It should be illegal for the government as well, particularly for fluoride which is more poisonous than LEAD and only slightly less poisonous than ARSENIC. It has never been approved by the FDA as safe or efffective.
Fluoride... (by: Mr. Pay Attention - 9/6/2013)
Mr. Deleon appears to be well-informed. Apparently he's a beacon of light amongst the living dead. People should have a choice in this....People should also have real information about what the city is MANDATED to put in city water. CHOICE!!!
Just who does he think he is? (by: Shelly Mercure - 9/6/2013)
I just don't understand how a city manager has the authority to just take it upon himself to shut off fluoride to the water supply? Is this just a case of him getting to big for his britches? Or does he seriously have the right to just make that decision?
Deleon (by: Blindman~ - 9/6/2013)
City Manager Deleon reminds me of Dr. Spock. Adept in logic, with a decision making process in line with benefitting the whole to the dismay of a few. I'm sure if the council wants to add fluoride back into to the water... he will do it "the right way".
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